One Race, Three Journeys – Challenge Roth

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One Race, Three Journeys – Challenge Roth

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Andrew Harley: Welcome to the TriDot podcast. For today’s podcast conversation we will take a journey to Roth, Germany to hear all about the famous Challenge Roth. It’s one of the most famous races in the world of triathlon and we had a strong TriDot presence there this year, July of 2024. I am joined by three TriDot athletes and coaches who basically just got home from their trip and now I’m making them do a podcast. Our first coach is Coach Jenn Reinhart. Jenn is a multisport legend in the Austin, Texas area and has been coaching athletes for over 40 years. She is an eight time Kona finisher and I believe a one time Roth finisher now. Our second guest is TriDot staff member, Barb Campbell. Barb is the managing director of coaching excellence at Predictive Fitness. She is also a seasoned triathlete with 23 years of racing experience. And rounding out the coach trio is Tony Washington. Tony is a United States Air Force Veteran who now works as a corporate pilot. He raced his first triathlon in 1982 and has been coaching since 2020. Jenn, Barb, Tony, welcome home from Germany.

Jenn Reinhart: Thank you Andrew. It’s great to be here. I think I’m here. It’s about five o’clock beer time in Germany so I should be awake.

Barb Campbell: Welcome home Jenn. Happy to be here with some of my favorite friends. It was great to spend time with you guys there and excited to spend time with you guys together tonight.

Tony Washington: It seems like we were just all together. Same thing, we’re all still waking up at 4 o’clock in the morning, we’re just not getting to race next weekend or early next week.

Andrew: Yep, so while I was getting all of the finishing touches ready for our recording to start, the three of you were already talking about castles in Germany you visited. So today’s going to be a hot conversation about a heck of a trip for the three of you. I am Andrew, the Average Triathlete, Voice of the People and Captain of the Middle of the Pack. As always we'll roll through our warm up question, settle in for our main set conversation, and then wind things down with our cool down. Lots of good stuff. Let’s get to it!

Warm up theme: Time to warm up! Let’s get moving.

Andrew: When we take a big trip like going to Germany for Challenge Roth, part of the fabric of the adventure are the accommodations you choose to stay in along the way and what I’m curious to hear today as our warm up question, in all of your life’s travels whether they’re triathlon related or not, what has been your favorite accommodation you’ve ever stayed in? It can be a resort, a hotel, a motel, a camping site, a B and B, an AirBnB, a VRBO, a hostile, a cave, a castle, or whatever else I’ve failed to list. Tony, what is this answer for you?

Tony: Well, I think I’ve stayed in every one of those category places all over the world. I’m fortunate to have been–

Andrew: A cave Tony? A cave?

Tony: A cave, yeah I have stayed in a cave in Ireland before. Yeah, yeah, and in Greece.

Andrew: There you go.

Tony: But one of them that sticks out for me is I had a trip to Budapest, Hungary a couple of years ago, coming up on ten years ago actually, and stayed at a place I had to look it up. The place is called the Anatara New York Hotel in Budapest. It’s called the New York Hotel. I’m not sure why, but one of the things that’s memorable, it’s an incredibly beautiful place. 100 and something year old hotel, but we were taking an on-off, jump on, jump off kind of bus tour of the city of Budapest and we were driving by and the driver was talking about this most famous, beautiful cafe in the world. You know, one of the best cafes in the world and the New York Cafe then we come around the corner and there’s the hotel we’re staying in. We had not made it to that end of the building yet to see this cafe, but sure enough we finished the tour, go into our hotel and have lunch at this New York Cafe. Incredibly beautiful, really, really opulent hotel right in Budapest. It was an amazing experience.

Andrew: Yep, nope, got to put it on the travel bucket list for sure. Over to Barb. What have you got for us Barb?

Barb: That was a good question. I had to think about it. It was fun to think about.

Andrew: Yeah.

Barb: In the end I said Antigua. Not the island. That was actually the name of our hybrid camper when our four kids were younger for about a decade. We would go camping every month and just went all over the state of Texas and I’d say a favorite was going to Garner State Park. It was an annual expedition out west and we had a bunch of friends together. The water was super cold and you could go tubing as long as the water wasn’t too high or too low and they had a dance every– they still do it. It’s a Texas tradition and all the adults and kids would get dressed up and go country western dancing at night and it was just so much fun. We’d go hiking, biking, tubing, just floating the river. So yeah, the camper is actually my favorite accommodation. We ultimately had to sell it to send the first one to college, but that was the brakes.

Andrew: Yep. I also grew up in a camping family and we camped all over the state of Florida in the Smoky Mountains and definitely some fond memories of my childhood there. Jenn Reinhardt, favorite accommodation you’ve ever stayed in.

Jenn: Wow. Tony and Barb keep influencing me. I just had two weeks of their influence and now I’ve got to change my answer. I done– I haven’t been in a cave like Tony, but lots of AirBnB, lots of VRBO, lots of travel company-assisted race accommodations, but when I did Ironman Austria afterwards we drove to Florence, Italy for a week and we stayed at the Hotel California and it was a nightmare to get to; Barb and Tony heard about that from my husband driving in Florence, but we finally got there and the hotel itself was not anything super, super fancy, but on the top they had a bar and you could see El Duomo from the top. I mean it was just like right there and our first night there we were all tired and hangry and it was a terrible trip getting actually– because it was a one way street that you had to go through the wrong way with buses coming at you…

Andrew: Ooo, sure.

Jenn: …to get to the hotel.

Andrew: Nice.

Jenn: So we finally– we got up to the rooftop and this young Italian guy comes out “I’m Luigi Gezepo and I’ll take care of you.” and we just sat up there and had gin and tonics and watched the sunset over the city. But Hotel California in Florence, Italy has to be probably– just because of that view from the top.

Andrew: Yeah, location, location, location, right? Yeah. This answer for me, I went back and forth on a couple answers. I hashed this out with my wife as recently as last night to make sure I had dialed in the correct answer here from all of our travels. But the consensus we came to, Banff Alberta, Canada. We actually stayed one night in our about a week and a half in Canada, we stayed one night in Moraine Lake Lodge which is the lodge actually on that lake. They don’t have a ton of rooms so it’s very expensive and they sell out very quickly and actually when I was first planning our trip it was sold out for the month we were going to be there and I kept checking back, kept checking back. It kind of gave me some time to wrap my head around the price tag and all of a sudden I popped up on the website and there was one night in our trip that they had an open room and so I threw down. It was 1200 US dollars. I looked it up just to be sure. 1200 US dollars for one night at the Moraine Lake Lodge, but the perks like otherwise it’s kind of difficult to get to that lake. They only let so many people there at a time. You have to get like– You have to hop on a bus to get to that lake to see the lake and if you stay at the lodge you have a guaranteed parking place. You get to eat dinner and breakfast in the lodge restaurant overlooking Moraine Lake. You get free canoe rental on the lake. So there’s just all these perks that come with it that we would have paid for anyway and so anyway– It just worked out with the cadence of our trip. We rearranged some things on our trip to make it happen and that hands down– It was the coziest, like, like, like log cabin room overlooking Moraine Lake that I’ve ever seen. Especially like once all the tourist groups left for the day and it was kind of just like the couple dozen people staying there for the weekend, enjoying the lake on your own as the sun was going down over the mountains. Having dinner overlooking the lake. It was just an amazing night and amazing place to stay and worth every single penny. We’ve told all of our friends to go there. Look it up. You’ve got to do it. So Moraine Lake Lodge in Banff Canada my answer here. Easy answer from the Harley household. We’re going to throw this question out to the I AM TriDot Community. So find this question posed on the TriDot Community Hub. Find it on the I AM TriDot Facebook group and let us know from all of your world travels, what has been your favorite place you’ve ever stayed?

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Andrew: As the sport of triathlon grew and grew and grew, somewhere along the way, somehow a small town in the German countryside became the host of one of the sports premier long-course events. Long-time listeners of the TriDot podcast know that this is a race on my personal bucket list and I’m not alone there. This race is so popular it often sells out in seconds. That’s not hyperbole. In seconds all the registrations are gobbled up and today we have three athletes that have been there, done that and are here to tell us all about it. So Tony, Jenn, Barb kicking off our Challenge Roth chatter, I want to hear what made each of you decide to go all in on a Roth trip this year in your race schedule and Jenn, I’ll start with you. You’ve raced a lot of really cool races. What made this the year to do Roth?

Jenn: I’ve always wanted to do it, but I had been told how hard it is to get into. You have to be up at precisely three in the morning and you have to click the button just right to get in.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jenn: And after Kona last year in 2023 I pretty much said I’m not doing any more Ironmans just because with my knee replacements, I’ve got to start thinking about wear and tear and I just don’t run as fast so it’s not as fun. But then when TriDot partnered with RaceQuest and all that came out I kept saying, “Okay, I’m going to wait until I do Kona and then I’ll make my decision.” I get out in Kona and Barb’s talking about it and Kristine Plant’s talking– Kristine had gotten–

Andrew: All these influencers.

Jenn: Yeah. –had gotten a registration just by waking up in the middle of the night and said “I’m going to check.” So it was like okay. I got home and said to my husband, “Wouldn’t you like to go to Germany in July?” And he goes “No not July. It’s too hot.” Well, it’s not as hot as Texas.

Andrew: Let me rephrase this. Wouldn’t you like to go to Germany in July?

Jenn: He finally agreed. We had a few obstacles along the way, but when TriDot partnered with RaceQuest it made it so easy to get that entry.

Barb: Jenn and Kris are definitely the ones that influenced for me. I was one and done with the Ironman distance. So I did Ironman California in 2022 and told Kurt, that was awesome and I’ll never– Well, how about Ironman Texas? Then I did Texas and met Kris Plant there and then qualified for Kona and thought, “Dang it, I’ve got to do it one more time.” Then once we got to Kona, Kris had gotten that magical slot and she started talking about it and then Jenn was like, “It’s going to be my special birthday on that day and it’s our 30th wedding anniversary.” Like, oh my god. Well, then sure enough, put the money down with Kris and Kelli and RaceQuest and the rest is history.

Andrew: Now, Tony, you had a very different path to traveling to Roth and I actually played a part in it. So I get some credit. I’ll let you talk about it though. How did you end up at Challenge Roth 2024?

Tony: Well, I get this text in what seemed like the middle of the night. Hey, what do you think about heading out to Roth with about five weeks' notice to take two weeks off to go enjoy some time with a bunch of the TriDotters? And it was an amazing, amazing time to go do it. I’m like, hey this is great. I did the race in 2018 and to be able to go out there and do it from a different perspective as a spectator and coach and helping out everybody and helping with a little bit of my experience with people in the race and to seeing what’s changed, the things that have been changed over the years. So it was just really, really amazing. So it took me three years to get in, the same thing. They just had the first generation of the lottery a couple days ago so it did sell out for US slots. It sold out in about ten seconds. That was the case for me when I did it. It took me three times and it sells out super fast, but with RaceQuest you can get a slot. So that’s been really, really amazing.

Andrew: And that is the case for 2025. If you’re listening to this and you’re interested, RaceQuest already has the page up where you can register and go as a TriDot athlete through our partnership with RaceQuest. And the full story there, Elizabeth James who is on our team, is a pro triathlete. She was going to be– We wanted to have a coach there kind of with our partnership with RaceQuest with a bunch of athletes going, we wanted a coach there just to kind of help the athletes get ready for the race and just be present and mix and mingle and all that jazz and Elizabeth was jazzed to go, slated to go and those pesky pros and their pesky pro careers, she decided it was best for her season to actually she raced in Ecuador. She raced 70.3 Ecuador that same weekend and so she flexed out and we flexed Tony in and super happy that Tony and Julie were both able to go as TriDot coaches. So shout out to Julie as well.

Umm, as you all mentioned, our friends at RaceQuest are just fantastic hosts. With race travel being their expertise we now have RaceQuest helping us with many of our race and camp experiences. You know, Kelli and Krista, kind of the founders of RaceQuest who just do a wonderful job hosting triathletes all over the world. What was y’all’s experience like with RaceQuest being there at Roth? Barb.

Barb: In one word, it was phenomenal. The communication in advance was super clear. Krista and Kelli just were incredibly responsive to my gazillion questions. They had a comprehensive packing list. They hosted webinars with pro triathletes to get us familiar with the race course and when we got to the airport completely exhausted, you know, they were there with the team to greet you and suddenly my bike is magically and my luggage is whisked away and we’re on a bus and headed to our accommodations. I thought they did such a fabulous job of creating a daily itinerary that struck a beautiful balance between activities and down time so that you got the essential things taken care of, but you also had time to explore on your own. So I can’t recommend it highly enough. Not only did it get you the magical ticket, entry ticket, but you didn’t have to think about anything but doing the race.

Jenn: My experience at the airport was not quite as wonderful as Barb’s, but that had nothing to do with RaceQuest.

Andrew: Sure.

Jenn: I seem to have bad luck with my– I started Monday morning with my flight being canceled, getting rebooked. Instead of a 9 o’clock flight, a 6 o’clock flight. Instead of through Charlotte, through Heathrow which I absolutely hate and of course at Heathrow the flight was super full, it was a smaller jet going from Heathrow to Munich and they– I’m standing there watching. They made every passenger getting onboard with a carryon, they made them all ticket those and– You know, ticket at the counter and load as luggage.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jenn: And I’m thinking if they do that they’re not going to get my bike on and I’m sitting there looking at where my bike is because I put an AirTag on it.

Andrew: Yeah, you’re doing the math on how many bags it can hold.

Jenn: And it was at a different terminal and I asked like three or four times. “Uh, my bike is sitting over at terminal dah, dah, dah.” “Oh, it’ll get on.” Well of course they didn’t and when I arrived in Munich I got my luggage, went and filled out a claims report and that was probably my mistake. It came in on the next flight, but then it got into the baggage claim handling system which…

Andrew: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Jenn: …didn’t give it to me until three days later. Thankfully I had Barb and Tony there to keep me dry eyed at least half of the day. So, but Kelli and Krista are also wonderful. Every morning Kelli is going “I’m going to call them and check on it.” But they just wouldn’t provide information…

Andrew: Sure.

Jenn: …and it was really frustrating.

Andrew: Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

Jenn: But nothing on RaceQuest for that because as Barb said, they had, I mean everything was so well planned out even before we got there that, you know, we knew when we were going to go do packet registration. We knew how our bikes were going to get out there. They did a wonderful job getting our bikes out there the day before so all we had to do was walk into a field, pick it up, and walk across a bridge to take it to T1 the day before checking in. The buses were always where they said they were going to be and at what time they said they were going to be. A few athletes had a little trouble keeping schedule– not any of the three of us– but RaceQuest really tried to keep everyone on schedule so that you had that free time. Because if you messed up too badly then all it was going to be was a bus ride to do something and a bus ride back.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jenn: I will say that, you know, Roth is a really small German city and there isn’t a whole lot of AirBnB or hotels there so most of us were staying in Nuremberg and if you were there by yourself staying in Nuremberg driving to Roth multiple times a day before the race with no parking, it would have been a nightmare. But having Kelli and Krista and our schedule for when the buses could take us and pick us back up it worked wonderfully. So, five stars to those ladies. They did an awesome job and I would highly recommend them to anybody that wants to go next year.

Andrew: Yeah, no, glad to hear that and Tony what was your experience kind of being in somewhat of a leadership role on this trip alongside Kelli and Krista.

Tony: This is my third experience with RaceQuest having just gotten back recently from the TriDot Ambassador camp.

Andrew: That’s right.

Tony: 70.3 Boulder.

Andrew: Yeah.

Tony: So I had just seen them two weeks before. They’re amazing. They have a ton of experience. I think this is their 13th or 14th year at Roth. You know, the race is a little bit challenging with, like Jenn said, the logistics of T1 and T2 being in different spots, but their logistics are amazing. They have buses everywhere, on time, everybody is loaded up, bring you on these tiny little country roads off of a closed road to get you there missing traffic. How you get these giant buses to miss all the traffic and get you there essentially on time, essentially as planned. It was really, really amazing. Coach Julie and I were there a couple days early to help with some of the pre-read logistics and just planning and getting the briefing on how things are going and got to see some inside stuff that they had coordinated with Challenge Roth and Felix, who is the race director– the legendary race director– and just getting briefings directly from him. It was absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing. They definitely have privileged access on how things are run. When you get this race director who is taking his time out to give you a race briefing, hey, yeah, this is where you guys are going to come. Nobody else can come this way, but we’ve closed this farm road…

Andrew: Wow.

Tony: …for your bus to come through. It was just absolutely amazing. The logistics and everything pulling off all the hotels, four different hotels in two different towns, close to 500 people with the other groups that were attached with RaceQuest. It’s over 10% of the field is there and with all of the Sherpas and spectators and family, it’s a big endeavor and giving that over to RaceQuest makes the race experience just so much better and not having to think about those things. Having it done from the racer’s perspective and now as a coaching spectator’s perspective, wow. Just let them do it. It is way, way, way easier and it just makes your brain bigger to concentrate on all the other things that comes.

Andrew: And enjoy yourself. Yeah, and just enjoy yourself.

Tony: For sure. For sure. Yep exactly. Exactly.

Andrew: I will absolutely– I’ve planned plenty of international trips for the family and pulled them off well. When I do Roth, and I hope to one day, I will absolutely be putting my family in the hands of RaceQuest for it. So let’s talk about the race itself. Challenge Roth gets a lot of buzz, a lot a lot of buzz. It’s got the famous swim down the crowd lined canal. It’s got the countryside bike ride with the mayhem of Solar Hill. It’s got the cobblestone city streets on the run course and the arena light show frenzy of a finish line. Now that you have all experienced that, what were those iconic on-course moments like for you and did this race live up to the hype? And Tony, I’ll start with you here. You didn’t race it this year, but you’ve raced it before. So go ahead and jump in. What did you think of those iconic moments and did they live up to the hype for you?

Tony: I’ve been super lucky and have done some of the big, iconic races in the world. I’ve done Roth, been to World Championships. I’ve done Escape from Alcatraz. I’ve not raced at Kona, but I’ve been there as a spectator. It’s the best race in the world. It is an incredible experience. The things that stand out, you know, the butter smooth roads, incredibly, incredibly smooth roads. Climbing the Solar Hill, when you make that right hand turn and see 20,000 people on this hill– It’s not steep or anything. It’s just, you know, they’re going to give you two feet to ride through, but it is epic. It makes the hill disappear. It’s really, really, really amazing. Somehow, several TriDot folks noticed Coach Jill and I’s TriDot hats and gave a shout out to us in this crowd of 20,000 people.

Andrew: Let’s go.

Tony: “Hey TriDot! Hey TriDot!”

Andrew: That’s what I’m talking about.

Tony: It was really, really amazing.

Andrew: TriDotters are the best.

Tony: It was really amazing and then the finish is– they build a stadium in the middle of a park for you to come in and finish with 20,000 people in the stadium? I don’t know how many people. It is amazing. There’s a laser light show. You know, that’s an unforgettable moment having finished lots of races. This unforgettable moment coming in and getting the cheers of everybody coming in. It’s just really, really cool. From a coaching perspective, it was really cool. I’m not an awesome spectator. I’d rather race twice than spectate a whole Ironman. I’ll do two Ironmans back to back versus doing that. I am not awesome. Those multiple naps taken during the great places that RaceQuest had pulled out for us logistically, but it was just really great. It gave me a great perspective from seeing it from other people’s eyes. You know, we’re in our little bubble racing, but seeing it from the perspective when your family is watching your race and they see you multiple times out there it’s just really, really amazing. It’s just the best race in the world. It’s really, really unbeatable.

Andrew: Just hearing Tony talk about it I’m like how quickly can I get that full distance fitness back because I’m not very fit right now. Can I do this next year? I don’t know if I can do this next year.

Tony: Yes you can.

Jenn: Sure you can Andrew. Come on. Come on.

Andrew: Jenn, what did you think of all those iconic moments on the race course in Roth?

Jenn: Well of course I always think the swim is the best, but this race might have changed that at least from just the spectator and the experience. The swim was wonderful. I was a little worried because it was wave starts and I’ve gotten so used to the Ironman time trial start, but it’s hard to go wrong on a rectangle and they did a very good job in the water with all the kayaks keeping everybody from not being over the center line because you went down, went over a little bit, and came back. The water quality was okay for a canal. I was a little worried about that too, because I had some fresh wounds.

Andrew: Sure, yeah. We’re used to the Woodlands. Yeah, I know you’ve seen the Woodlands a couple times.

Jenn: Oh yeah. I hate that swim there. This was much better than that. So a pretty fast swim course I think and then the bike, Tony mentioned the smooth roads, but it was closed the whole course.

Andrew: Oh, that’s awesome.

Jenn: No cars.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jenn: No cars. This I guess was the first year they had it closed both ways, but I can’t imagine having a car come at me on some of those small roads. It was a little, I don’t know if frightening might be too strong of a word, but on the first loop there was a pretty light rain, heavy drizzle and there’s some switchbacks that you’re going down and we don’t do many switchbacks here in Texas. I’ve ridden them before in France, but I didn’t have a disc brake bike back then and I do now…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Jenn: …and those disc brakes make all the difference with having confidence of being able to slow down when you needed to, but being able to carry some speed through the straights, but being very cautious. I didn’t– no skin was going to be lost on that day.

Andrew: Sure.

Jenn: But when I hit Solar Hill the first time I was just like, “Oh my god!” The people, the noise, and like Tony said it’s about two feet that you’ve got to ride your bike in. I wouldn’t say that balance is one of my best skills and there was no way I was going to be looking around. I knew Tony and Julie were there and I guess my husband was too, but I didn’t see him at all. You know, it was so overwhelming that towards the top I was ready for it to be done. I was just so over-stimulated by the crowd, but once you get up over the top then it’s not too much further before you finish the first loop. The second time through you knew what to expect and I think the crowds were a little bit thinner by the time I went through the second time, but holy smokes. I mean, that was one of the reasons I always wanted to do this race because of what I’ve heard about that climb. It held up to what I expected. Run course, it had every type of surface you could possibly run on. Maybe it didn’t have sand, but it had street, it had 20K on a gravel trail which was a little bit much on a gravel trail for me. The cobbles at the end, it was beautiful. Tony and Julie were right where it, probably 10K to go, you go through the little city center and it’s all on cobbles and Julie and Tony are there cheering as you go out to a park and then come back and there they are again.

Andrew: You can’t miss Tony. You can’t miss Tony.

Jenn: Yeah, you can’t miss Tony, thank god. And you know last 10K and then the last two miles you’re just ready to be done and seeing them really just gave me that pickup to keep going. The finish line– if you ever want to finish an Ironman in the light, this is the one to do. I swear, it was light at 5 in the morning and it was still at 9:30 at night.

Andrew: Wow.

Jenn: The best time is probably to finish in the dark because that’s when they have their big laser light show, but I did manage to–

Andrew: Like purposely slow down. Let the sun go down. Let the lasers get going.

Jenn: Yeah, I think if I had started in a later wave which originally they had the older ladies like last and I mentioned something on Facebook and I didn’t realize that that was what got Felix to move us up.

Andrew: Really?

Jenn: Is what Kelli told me.

Andrew: Look at you Jenn!

Jenn: I know. I’m an influencer.

Andrew: He’s heard of you. Yeah, he’s heard of you.

Jenn: The finish line was still spectacular running into the stadium there with a ton of people just cheering. And as Barb mentioned, it was my birthday and every time I went through a place where they were calling out numbers I got all these birthday wishes and the crowd was just going wild.

Andrew: Oh, that’s so cool.

Jenn: You know, so if your birthday happens to fall on Challenge Roth, it’s mostly a great way to spend your birthday.

Andrew: Absolutely love to hear that. Barb, all the famous parts of Roth, did it live up to the hype for you?

Barb: Absolutely. I didn’t know a whole lot about Roth until Kris and Jenn twisted my arm to sign up and then once I started to figure it all out, yeah, it was definitely worth the time investment, money and all that. Going in the swim there were people walking all around. There was a family cheering on somebody who was in my vicinity. I just pretended they were my family. It’s like that’s cool. Every time I stroked it was like thank you, thank you. And the bike ride, truly just electric with the crowds and all these cute little towns that you pull into. So just truly unbelievable and I loved that the aid stations are called “refreshment points.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Barb: And I swear to god, at one point of the run there was like somebody with a charcuterie board standing there with just this plethora of options available. I went back to look and they have a supply point, your refreshment point, with water, bananas, mineral drink, power bar, power bar gel, water, bananas, apples, melons, lemons, water, chicken broth– I mean, they had everything you could imagine and all of these little kids who were out there and they were offering it to you in multiple languages. Like– Unbelievable. Definitely lives up to the hype.

Andrew: I love it. I’m about all of that kind of life. So I absolutely love that. Now racing Roth of course is not all light shows and high fives from the crowd. You’re still out there accomplishing a 140.6 mile course. It’s still a huge undertaking. It’s a tough race no matter where it is in the world. You’re still out there working hard to get to that finish line to earn that medal. So aside from those wow moments we talked about, those kind of famous, iconic moments, just kind of tell us just kind of your– the quick version of your race report. How did your race go? And Tony, I’ll leave you off of this one because you didn’t race, but Barb we’ll start with you.

Barb: Yeah, thanks. It’s hard to capture it in a short– I’ll be as quick as I can.

Andrew: Sure.

Barb: But as we traveled, you know, you always take a peek at the weather and it’s like “Wow! Looks like ideal conditions.” You know, 50 to 68 it’s going to be just beautiful and the week progressed and suddenly it was like, “Oh, it’s going to be pouring rain.” Okay. We changed our mindset about what was going to happen. It’s a little soggy, a little slower, that’s fine. Morning of 0% chance of rain. So we leave the rain gear at home and as Jenn mentioned it did rain quite a bit on the first loop of the bike course. But getting all set up, they dropped us off. You know, 4:30 in the morning the day started and the transition area Jenn and I were off in– she had I think called it the leper colony; there was a side transition area a little further away where we were placed, but it was still just very set up with tons of bathrooms. Things were looking up. The day was looking bright and I did that thing where you– nothing new on race day, but I did buy a new Sailfish wetsuit after you talked about it so much Andrew.

Andrew: They’re great.

Barb: We saw them at the expo. Yeah. I did test it out in the pool the day before and I told my husband, I was like, “This feels like I’m cheating.” It was just the buoyancy panel in the chest and anyway. So when it comes to the swim, I got in the swim and was just so grateful to be there and MaryAnn Sullivan who was doing her first race was in the same wave start with me starting at 7:30. Probably started a little further back and to the right than I might have wanted to. A lot of traffic, some contact, but you know, just settled in and got out and just didn’t feel like I had exerted much effort with the beauty of that wetsuit. Then I think Tony ended up seeing me as I was coming out of transition, made a little tactical error as I thought “Pretty cloudy. I’m not going to put my visor on quite yet.” I took off on the bike and then I reached up about five minutes later and I’m like “Huh. Where’d it go?” You mean the thing that protects my face and has my bifocals so I can read my computer is not with me.

Andrew: It’s gone.

Barb: So Tony apparently had seen me coming out of transition, didn’t know it was me and was like, “Oh, that poor lady there. Her visor is about to fall off.” Then was like, “Oh crap! That’s Barb!” Yeah it was.

Tony: Yep.

Barb: So it is what it is. It’s one of those things I just laughed and said, “You know, I will experience the weather in my face and I will laugh when I see the photos of my aero helmet and my full face going hey!”

Andrew: Jeff Booher, our CEO, he always says like when he’s coaching athletes, he always says on race day expect three things to go wrong and so when they go wrong like don’t freak out about it. Don’t lose your mind about it. Just check it off. Okay, there’s one, okay, there’s two, and you just navigate it and you move forward and yeah, that was one for you. Yep, okay. There’s one of the three things that’s going to go wrong today.

Barb: Yeah, exactly. You just had to go with the flow and it did feel a little painful with some of the more intense rainfall, but I had bought a new bike computer. I left my old one in Boulder accidentally so it was a little larger. It did help so I could still…

Andrew: Good. Yeah, good.

Barb: …fairly well track what I was doing. Yeah, there were benefits. Then just riding the hills, even though I’m in flat Houston, I love to hang out with Jenn up in Austin and I love riding hills and the crowd support just was great. I love that in Roth they allow spectators to provide you with nutrition as long as it’s within a certain distance from the refreshment point.

Andrew: Refreshment zone. Yeah.

Barb: Yeah, the refreshment zone. So my husband took that job very seriously and at the top of Solar Hill…

Andrew: Nice.

Barb: …he was standing there like a Formula 1 pit crew like ready and I’m just like, “Hey how ya doin?” He was like changing the bottles, you know, so that was fun. I was like, “Hi good to see you.”

Andrew: I didn’t know that about Roth. That’s really cool. Yeah, I didn’t know that. That’s cool.

Barb: He was super pumped up to play that role and provide me with my nutrition. Finished the bike course under six hours so I was very, very pleased with that. Legs were feeling good. Don’t love running so I headed out on the marathon, but with so many people cheering I was trying to control my power, stick to my goal of 180 and I looked down, 200. I was like, ohh! Settle down, settle down. It took like three miles until I could find a rhythm. That canal was super long, umm, thankfully got to see Jenn out there as we were kind of running back and forth and that was good energy for me as well as the crowds out there that I can’t believe they walked all that way to cheer for you, six miles out of town. So that was awesome until about eight to ten miles my stomach said, “Nah, we’re done.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Barb: Then it became that exploration of the refreshment stands. What will work? How do I get caffeine?

Andrew: That happens.

Barb: Let me try these power bar gel. Didn’t work.

Andrew: Yeah.

Barb: And it didn’t matter. I found great people to talk to. Loved it. Managed to come across the finish line in the second fastest that I have done it and given that I basically fueled the week before with sausage and kraut and a lot of beer…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Barb: …I was very happy.

Andrew: Oh yes.

Barb: I was very happy with finishing it. But truly once you finished as well it wasn’t even over there. You got to have the European shower experience. That was something. Full massage, an incredible massage, and spread of food once again at the finish line. So it was just bar none over all of the races I’ve done across 23 years. It was, as Tony said, it’s the best in the world. It was truly my favorite.

Andrew: Now Coach Jenn, you had a pretty okay result in your run. I won’t spoil the fun. I’ll leave it for you, but walk us through Coach Jenn’s day at Challenge Roth 2024.

Jenn: Aww, you know, it started off great. I mean, I wasn’t thrilled with a 4:30 bus ride, but it was the thing to do. They got us there.

Andrew: I’m not thrilled with a 4:30 anything unless I’m sleeping.

Jenn: I mean they had the breakfast room open at 3:30 so we could go down and get eggs or toast or coffee, whatever you needed to get something in your stomach before we left. Super easy set up in transition. You know, put on nutrition and then I went off at 7:05 so a little bit before Barb, but no rush, you know. Lots of potties. Got everything done. Got my wetsuit pulled up about half way, but there’s so many people and so many athletes I kind of lost track of everybody as I started to kind of line up where my wave group was supposed to be. Like I mentioned, a little bit of anticipation about a wave start especially since they had moved us up to wave 6.

Andrew: They’re different. Yeah, they’re different. I’ve done one and it was–

Jenn: It was a mix of people though. There were some other women, young women and I’d say mostly men in their 35 to 40 age group kind of area. So I was, you know, gosh, am I going to have some contact, but one of the RaceQuest staff gave us a little talk about the swim two days before the race on Friday when we went for our practice swim and he said, “If you’re a strong swimmer stay on the inside of the buoy line.” If you need to go a little left, you can go a little left, but just hold the line and make the turn and then come back and you know, same thing. So it was like, okay, I’m not going to start right up front because that little bit of fear that I’m going to get swum over.

Andrew: Sure.

Jenn: So I started kind of like in the middle, but on the very left and took off. No contact. I mean, I had people that I was swimming next to and you know, you kind of knock hands or something, but no kicks. Found some good feet. They changed a couple of times because I almost swam right by the first turn. It was like– There were two bridges and I thought the one on the outbound we swam further past, but you turned right at and it was like, “Oh, shit that was the turn buoy!” Hurried and made my turn.

Andrew: That’s a nice surprise, right? To reach a point on course earlier than you expect.

Jenn: Yeah, so I had nothing really to mention after that. Coming out, tons of people cheering. I thought we were going to have strippers, but no strippers there, but you grab your bag and you go into the change tent.

Andrew: Peelers Jenn. They’re wetsuit peelers now.

Jenn: No peelers, but because of Barb’s influence again, I bought a new Sailfish wetsuit the day before.

Andrew: Hey!

Jenn: I needed one for Friday morning swim because mine was in my bike box that I still hadn’t received. So I figured I could get the airlines to pay for that one. I haven’t– I need to get that…

Andrew: Still working on that. Yeah.

Jenn: …taken care of. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. It could work out.

Jenn: So great wetsuit. You know, pretty typical swim for me. I had hoped to go 1:00 to 1:05 and I was 1:02 high, 1:03 depending upon whose split you took, my Garmin or theirs. The bike course, you know, the first loop I felt pretty good and the hills, well I felt like they were a little longer than I expected because we did a bike tour with Tony the day– two days before that. I guess the same day as the practice swim that Friday and he’s telling us about, oh yeah, you’re going to have a nice tailwind on this section even though it’s a little bit of a false flat. Well, with that rainstorm that came in, instead of being a south wind we had a north wind. So we had no nice tailwind, but still it was, it was fast.

Andrew: Which you’re used to in Texas. Yeah.

Jenn: In between the little villages it was fast, then you’d hit a little village and you got some turns and then you know, either just before– I think most of the hills were kind of just before a village and then you’d hit a village so it really broke it up nice. So this was my third race plus a couple of training rides that I’ve used deltaG. I find it a little hard. I wanted to take some after the first loop of the bike so I actually had to stop to get it out of my pocket and unscrew it to take it. I should have thought ahead and put it in a flask rather than the bottle. I stepped down and I fell over in a ditch. People were running over, helping me up. It was right after an aid station. It’s like, “It’s okay. I’m fine. It’s just one of those things.” When I stepped down, it was further than I thought. So I get back up and they’re helping me, holding my bike, and are you okay. Yeah, I’m fine. You know, and there was really kind of a language barrier too. It’s like, “I’m fine. I’m fine.”

Andrew: Sure.

Jenn: So I go to get back on my bike and I fall over the other way and now they’re really getting concerned like, “Oh maybe you need medical? You need medical?” No, no, no. I got going again. I probably–

Andrew: I’m not dehydrated, I’m just clumsy.

Jenn: Yeah, I’m just clumsy. I’m good. But it did put a little bit in my mind, “Are you really good?” I mean falling over on each side.

Andrew: Sure.

Jenn: Anyways, I got going again, finished up the bike course, respectable time. Just under 6:30. I knew I was going to run/walk the run course which is pretty typical for me and my post total knee replacement error, but it was not fast, but it was probably faster than Kona and faster than Texas. So maybe I’m heading in the right direction…

Andrew: There you go.

Jenn: …by small, small increments. I thought there were going to be at least six women in my age group; that’s what the start list had, but only two of us started and only one of us finished.

Andrew: Hey.

Jenn: So I won my age group by default, but I’ll take it. It was my birthday so, perfect present.

Andrew: Age group champion! Let’s go! Yep. I saw the picture of Jenn on top of the podium and was not surprised at all. Very, very happy for you and our podcast sponsors will be really happy, both Sailfish and deltaG, getting some good chatter today from the three of you. Now 2024 was the first year that TriDot has done Roth through RaceQuest and obviously we’ve had TriDot athletes race Roth before, but never in an official capacity where we sent dozens of athletes over to Roth like we did this year and we’re anticipating this to be like a growing thing. There’s already a ton of chatter for 2025. I’ve heard a lot of TriDot athletes and coaches talk about wanting to go next year through RaceQuest especially the way we have the slots, especially the way people are hearing such positive reports from athletes like yourself about the trip. So just tell me, like how noticeable was the TriDot comradery once you were over there and did that make a difference on your experience over there at Roth? Barb, what did you think?

Barb: Yeah, it you know, was fabulous. First of all shout out to Tony and Julie. They did such an awesome job representing TriDot. I think Tony’s entire wardrobe was TriDot. I don’t think I ever saw him without the full…

Andrew: My man. Yep.

Barb: …full on presence. So the very first morning that we were there and doing the shake out run, chuckling as the guy was like, “So what’s TriDot?” and I’m like “Uh-huh, go ahead Tony.” following behind them until I couldn’t keep up anymore.

Andrew: You’re up bud. You’re up.

Barb: Yep. So just it was truly fabulous and it was a lot about like the presence before and after and building the relationships whether over coffee at breakfast or at some of those events because the day of, there’s just so much that you can’t even– I was fortunate to find my husband and see him twice on the course. So you couldn’t really process because the stimulation, as you mentioned Jenn, like going up Solar, it’s like wow! It’s so overwhelming. So yeah, it was great to have the support all around you and wonderful to see those faces around the corner especially on the cobblestone. But yeah, the relationships and the networking and building that over the space of the week leading up to and in the time after is what sticks with me.

Andrew: You’ve all talked about just kind of the overstimulation and just how wild the crowd support is compared to other races and just for that perspective, I was talking to Will Usher who is one of our TriDot coaches. He and his wife, Raya, have both been on the podcast a couple times. They have Precision Coaching over in the UK and Will was there last year and we were talking about it and he was like, “I’ll tell you what.” He goes, “I as a coach, I was trying to find a spot on course to cheer for the athletes where there wasn’t any other spectators, just to add value somewhere else.”

Tony: Good luck.

Andrew: “Some dark corker of the course where I could be a voice. I could not find a spot on the run course where there was not already spectators.” That’s the way Will put it to me. But Coach Jenn, how was the TriDot presence and what did that add to your experience?

Jenn: Oh, it really helped me in the buildup to the race. Just with the circumstances of not having my bike there. Tony and Julie were just so supportive, reaching out. Anything I needed. Tony, “I’ll build it for you. I’ll build it for you.” It’s like, “Tony, I know how to put my bike together. It’s okay.” But he was right there in the room making sure…

Andrew: He was ready.

Jenn: …I had my bike together. He was right there helping out. You know, just the breakfast room with all the other athletes and people asking about TriDot or meeting like MaryAnn and a couple other TriDotters that we didn’t know and I think we all instantly just, you know, me not having to be a coach at all with Tony and Julie there, I could just be an athlete and we could meet on those terms and talk about the race and what we planned. Or you know, what do you think about this? Tony and Julie have so much experience to offer too. I think we were really lucky because we had Tony and Julie at our hotel. I think there were a few TriDotters, the team that Jeff Raines had, they were at the Dormero I think that was actually in Roth, but still Tony was in contact with them and so it’s like– Yeah. It couldn’t have been better. Race day I knew they were there. Not only were they there to support me, they were helping my husband figure out where to be and what to do and lift a beer with and take– I guess I heard about taking a nap on the street or something at one point by the bar. So they were there helping me. They were there helping our families. You just can’t have a better support system.

Tony: It was really amazing to be out there. You know, our experience started a couple days before when we were building bikes. I think I built like 15 bikes or so for all the folks in our hotel and kind of spread the load amongst everybody else. There were several TriDot folks who went there not through RaceQuest who we helped out and it was a really, really fantastic experience with everybody. And just like At the Races everywhere else, this was a big presence for us kind of thing. If somebody is spotting your TriDot hat in a crowd of 20,000 people as you’re climbing up a hill, that shows how the presence is real strong and it was just really, really amazing to watch everybody. The buzz should be very strong. Like you were saying it’s probably one of the best races in the world. It’s probably the best race in the world. It’s an opportunity, if you want to do a full, this should be very close to the top on your list. It’s really, really amazing and RaceQuest can get you a slot and make the logistics pain out of the way. They’ve got your help. Twice they were able to get the hotel to open up breakfast early. Once I think was during the practice swim or something, up an hour and a half early, and race morning to open up at 3:15 in the morning instead of 7:00. So that experience with RaceQuest was really, really amazing and all the TriDot folks out there was just really, really cool. We had a WhatsApp chat going on to help out everybody. Really cool and honored to be invited. It was awesome.

Andrew: Yeah, so I’m glad Jenn mentioned our relay team. We had a relay team and it was the coolest pictures when I saw them on Facebook fo these three TriDot athletes all crossing the finish line together wearing their bright red TriDot race kits and it was Simon and Lorraine Williams and then Jeff Krebs, all athletes coached by Jeff Raines and for them to do a relay together in Roth looked really, really special and definitely made for some really cool finish line pictures. So I can’t wait. Eventually I will be in the TriDot presence in Roth. I can’t wait for it personally. Last question and then we’ll land the plane for today in our main set. I’m curious just for the athletes listening that they’re drinking the tea, they want to do this, they want to jump in, they’re interested in racing Roth. Just in a minute or two each, what would be your top tips, top pieces of wisdom having gone through the experience yourself. Traveling over to Germany, signing up through RaceQuest, getting through the race experience. What Roth race wisdom would you share on things that either made it go really well for you or things that you might do differently if you were going again that we can learn from and Coach Jenn, I’ll start with you.

Jenn: Definitely take the seven day tour so that you’re arriving on Tuesday and not Thursday. Thursday is just too– there’s just not enough time for any– If you have something go wrong, there’s not time to recover and it’s going to be expensive to do this race, but it would be terrible to you know, have your flights canceled and get there on Friday instead of Thursday.

Andrew: Yeah, very true.

Jenn: So really plan ahead and make sure that you allow enough time that you get there and you get to adjust to the time and have your equipment all ready to go. I mean you’ve got RaceQuest that’s going to be there helping you, but still spend the extra little bit of money to go those two days early and don’t cut it close and plan to have some fun afterwards. I mean visiting Germany or the surrounding– Barb and I went to Prague. Tony and Julia, I don’t know how they did a one day trip from Munich to Garmisch and the castle and back. So we did Prague and then we drove from Prague– we rented a car which was a hoot because the countryside is just absolutely gorgeous, but you’re driving through valleys and then mountains and then all these little villages and then you get on the autobahn and it’s like “How fast can I go?” and Jenn’s going “Slow down.” So you know, if you can afford to take time afterwards, we spent a week afterwards there and it was just incredible. And RaceQuest was there too, helping me through all that. They helped me plan our trips post race.

Andrew: Yep and they can do that. Absolutely. Barb, same question over to you. What Roth wisdom can you share?

Barb: Yeah, Jenn hit the points that I was most focused on. I felt for those people that had the five day trip and coming over and just how exhausted you are especially if you’re coming from the states. It’s just too quick of a turnaround and absolutely find a way to spend the time there afterwards. You know, once the race is behind you and being able just to celebrate what you’ve accomplished and experience the country, multiple countries, it was– that’s the way to do it. If you can swing it, make this your bucket list race and save up for it. Go with RaceQuest.

Andrew: Coach Tony.

Tony: None of us take real vacations, we just do racecations so don’t let your two weeks be ruined by a Sunday racing either half day or full day, but yeah. Definitely experience something after. Europe is sometimes pretty hard to get to and being able to include those things was awesome. RaceQuest makes it incredibly easy. It takes– really takes all the brains out of it and their experience with the race was amazing. It was something to do. If there’s any kind of trepidation you have for racing in Europe or doing a full or those kind of things, it’s a very, very fast course. Both world records were broken there by pros and it seems like a rolly bike course, but you get all that speed back and it’s just– the roads are so glass smooth and like Jenn mentioned, with completely closed roads there’s nothing to worry about so it’s really, really fast and lends itself to fast times. So it’s just a truly amazing experience.

Andrew: Now Tony, you mentioned the world records were broken. Magnus Ditlev won the men’s race, Annie Haug won the women’s race and Tony, you got your picture taken with Magnus before the race. I think you bumped into him somewhere in the village or something. Did you give him any coaching advice that led to his world record breaking performance?

Tony: It was at the pasta dinner. He was a little surprised to see somebody taller than him. He was kind of looking and looking and Julie was trying to take a picture of us kind of thing. He was really surprised I was a little bit taller. I’ve got about an inch on him. Yeah, I told him stay, you know, stay nice and big, bike aero and swim fast. He had a very, very fast swim, but like I said, it just lends itself to a very, very fast. There’s a good reason why he did a sub four hour bike ride even on 4500 feet of climbing. You get all that speed back on just glass smooth roads and a nice easy run. It’s broken up by the cobbles, kind of wake up your ankles just before with 10K to go to make sure and a couple little poppy hills as you’re coming back into Roth, but you don’t go three minutes on the run or five minutes on the bike without seeing a beer fest set up somewhere. You just get the locals enjoying that kind of thing so it’s really, really amazing.

Cool down theme: Great set everyone! Let’s cool down.

Andrew: Alright, I am taking over the Coach Cooldown Tip of the week today. Normally Vanessa hosts this segment, but while we had some new voices on the show today talking about Challenge Roth I figured I would just keep one of these three folks on a little bit longer to give us our cooldown tip of the day and Coach Tony has done this before, Coach Jenn has done this before, but Barb you have not given our wonderful listeners a Coach Cooldown Tip of the week before. I know you’re not technically a triathlon coach. You are on the TriDot staff. You are an experienced racer yourself. You are a Pool School instructor. So you’ve got some wisdom in your back pocket. Can you leave our folks today with one good training or racing tip to serve as our podcast cooldown?

Barb: Thanks Andrew. Yes, and I was an instructional coach in education for many years so I do love coaching. My tip is just really to embrace the race. Like, take the time, select the race. This was obviously Challenge Roth was a fun race, a venue, a racecation, but before TriDot I spent 20 years doing a variety of races from sprint to half Iron distance and I would always dread race day. I loved training with my buddies, but I would get so nervous that when it came it was like every race was an A race and I just would come in and I think I probably underperformed and missed out just on a lot of the cool things that are happening in every event. So now I just, I’m able to take comfort in knowing that the training has me prepared for the race and it’s really, it’s up to each one of us as athletes out on the course to make the most of the experience. When I think about what we just wrapped up in talking about Challenge Roth to make it concrete it’s like going out there, first of all starting in the swim course I mean there’s hot air balloons going up and you’re in Germany. Like look around. This is absolutely incredible. So when the guy next to me punched me in the face twice, hit me in the eye, not on purpose, but you know, I’m like I’m okay. I just gently pushed him in his midsection to reassess his line and went about my business. Then same, you know, we talked about the visor going through on the bike course.

Andrew: Yep.

Barb: That could have been a freak out moment and oh my gosh what am I going to do? and how many watts am I losing with my aero helmet not having a visor? Instead it’s like, well it’s an interesting experience to have rain pelting my face. This is– well, I’ve not had that experience before. Then of course I also had Rudy von Berg fly by me with his little camera crew which was pretty cool except I was blowing a snot rocket right at that time and I thought…

Andrew: Of course you were. Yeah.

Barb: …that was interesting. Of course it was high quality. It did not go in his direction, but again, you just have to laugh and embrace the experience that you are having. The run is not my favorite part. I know it is yours Andrew, but there’s so many opportunities when you slow down like I do and get out on the course to just really look around, look for the opportunities to…

Andrew: Yeah.

Barb: …talk with fellow athletes. Along the canal they had their emergency professionals in the water just cruising along the canal looking to see if anybody was dropping out. Like, that’s an interesting way to go about providing athlete support. But just really thinking about all of those little opportunities. The volunteers, thanking them, talking with your fellow athletes. When my GI issues started it’s like that could be a day ender. Instead some gal looked at me and she was like, “Let’s run.” Okay. Let’s do that. So the point is just embrace your race, your race on that day. Take the time to reflect on your experience in the moment. Look for the beauty that’s around you. Don’t take yourself too seriously and just always seek those opportunities to engage with athletes and volunteers. There’s just a whole ton of joy in the journey if you look for it.

Andrew: Kind of a stop and smell the roses without actually stopping to smell the roses.

Barb: Yeah, I did stop at one moment to try to make myself throw up and I was like, “Oh yeah, Kurt told me I should keep moving forward. I should do that.”

Andrew: That’s very different than stopping to smell the roses, but yeah. Same concept I guess on a triathlon level.

Barb: Head was down.

Andrew: Stop and throw up on the roses. Yeah.

Barb: Yeah, I guess.

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